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The Talmud states it has authority over the Torah.

Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "Raba made the following exposition: What is the purport of the Scriptural text: And, furthermore my son, be admonished: Of making many books etc.?

13 My son, be more careful14 in [the observance of] the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah, for in the laws of the Torah there are positive and negative precepts;15 but, as to the laws of the Scribes, whoever transgresses any of the enactments of the Scribes incurs the penalty of death.

In case you should object: If they are of real value why were they not recorded [in the Torah]? Scripture stated: ‘Of making many books there is no end’.13 And much study is a weariness of flesh.13

R. Papa son of R. Aha b. Adda stated in the name of R. Aha b. Ulla: This16 teaches that he who scoffs at the words of the Sages will be condemned to boiling excrements.

The Talmud Nullifies the Bible.

Babylonian Talmud, Baba Mezia 59a-59b

Rabbi Eliezer then said to the Sages: `If the Halakhah is in accordance with me let it be proved directly from Heaven.' Suddenly a heavenly voice went forth and said to the Sages, `Why are you disputing with Rabbi Eliezer? The Halakhah is in accordance with him in all circumstances!' Rabbi Yehoshua rose to his feet and quoted a portion of a verse (Deuteronomy 30:12), saying, The Torah is not in heaven!

The Gemara interrupts the Baraita and asks for a clarification: What did Rabbi Yehoshua mean when he quoted the Scriptural verse that the Torah is not in heaven?

Rabbi Yirmeyah said in reply: Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mount Sinai, we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices that attempt to intervene in matters of Halakhah. For You, God, already wrote in the Torah at Mount Sinai (Exodus 23:2), After the majority to incline. ( not in scripture )

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Exod.23 [2] Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil ; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:

לֹא־תִהְיֶה אַחֲרֵי־רַבִּים, לְרָעֹת; וְלֹא־תַעֲנֶה עַל־רִב, לִנְטֹת אַחֲרֵי רַבִּים־־לְהַטֹּת


From this verse we learn that Halakhic disputes must be resolved by "majority vote of the Rabbis." God could not contradict His own decision to allow Torah questions to be decided by free debate and majority vote.

The Gemara relates that generations later Rabbi Natan met the Prophet Elijah. (Several of the Talmudic Sages had visions of Elijah the Prophet, and discussed Halakhic questions with him.) Rabbi Natan asked Elijah about the debate between Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Yehoshua. He said to him: What did the Holy One, blessed be He, do at that time when Rabbi Yehoshua refused to heed the heavenly voice? In reply, Elijah said to Rabbi Natan: God smiled and said: `My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me! God's sons defeated Him? with their arguments. Rabbi Yehoshua was correct in his contention that a view confirmed by majority vote must be accepted, even where God Himself holds the opposite view.

Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 59b

Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him! But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: It is not in heaven.4 What did he mean by this? Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline .5

R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me......................

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions They say Moses gave them in oral form, not ture. The Bible has no mention of an oral law. This oral law was not written down in Yeshua's time. "It is written, as it was written" are the words used all the time.

The rabbis later "added" the Mishnah to the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries with many debates). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.

The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. Both are just made up wisdom of men that don't agree.

Keep your eyes on the Scriptures without adding or diminishing from the Word


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